💬 Outline for Webmentions in Conjunction with Academic Citations

Replied to Outline for Webmentions in Conjunction with Academic Citations by Chris AldrichChris Aldrich (boffosocko.com)

As an example, if Zeynep were to cite Tessie, then she could write up her citation in basic HTML with a few microformats and include a link to the original paper (with a rel=”canonical” or copies on pre-print servers or other journal repositories with a rel=”alternate” markup). On publishing a standard Webmention would be sent and verified and Tessie could have the option of displaying the citation on her website in something like a “Citation” section. The Post Type Discovery algorithm is reasonably sophisticated enough that I think a “citation” like this could be included in the parsing so as to help automate the way that these are found and displayed while still providing some flexibility to both ends of the transaction.

Thanks for this write-up Chris. It has me itching about salmentions and having webmentions passed along. I really want to have a link to my ReadWriteRespond posts on my Collect site to aid with linking. However, I was concerned about the implication in regards to Webmentions. Reading this post I am thinking that I would just need to put a syndication link on ReadWriteRespond and the webmention will flow back. Now to think about how I implement this.

3 responses on “💬 Outline for Webmentions in Conjunction with Academic Citations”

  1. One of the things I’ve seen hiding around is how Brid.gy does mentions, and I’m guessing it’s for platforms that handle salmentions. In replies to multiple people it includes blank anchor tags with links to the URLs of the people and links in a particular post. This way anything that receives a reply/reaction should also have the link in it for upstream commentary.
    I’ll try something like this here with a link to one of your RWR posts, and see if you notice the mention?​ If you reply back, you’ll likely need to include a similar “empty” link to maintain the chain. Naturally, if it works manually, then it could be something that we could puzzle out automating. Perhaps David Shanske has thought about it, experimented, or has ideas? I know that Matthias Pfefferle has done some work with the Salmon protocol which is loosely related.
    I’ve done things like this manually in the past, but only in special cases. It would be nice if it were automated though. The tougher part may be getting bigger publishers to support/implement it.
    I can also see some interesting use for it in the journalism space so authors can own a copy of their articles published in other outlets.

    1. Chris, is this like what I do with the addition of microformats, such as class="u-in-reply-to", to links I want to appear as comments on my own site?

      1. Something like that.
        Since the comment section of WordPress sites with Webmention set up will send them automatically to any link in the reply, you just need links to all the upstream things to be automatically added to your replies. It would be nice if the plugin would do this automatically for any links on the page as well, but for now you’d have to do it manually.

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